Posted on: February 11, 2010 9:09 AM, by Ed Brayton
Cliff Kincaid, the uber-nut head of Accuracy in Media, is defending the Ugandan anti-gay law yet again against the "loud-mouthed homosexual lobby." Yeah, those uppity gays - thinking they shouldn't be murdered for being gay. And he's quoting from one of the leading voices in Uganda calling for the murder and imprisonment of gay people.A leading pro-family activist in Uganda says that Christians in that East African country need help resisting the schemes of the international homosexual lobby. Charles Tuhaise tells AIM that he is also disturbed by the general silence of conservatives in the U.S. to stand up for Uganda and its emerging Christian culture.
Yeah, stand up for their "emerging Christian culture." That's what it's all about. It's not about them wanting to destroy the lives of gay people, it's about their "emerging Christian culture." And you conservatives should be ashamed of yourselves for not backing them up on it!"Many Ugandans are shocked at the reaction to this bill and the extent to which homosexual activists can intimidate everyone to silence," Tuhaise said.
Yes, that's exactly right. Homosexual activists have intimidated everyone into not wanting to murder them for being homosexual.Tuhaise is chairman of the board of Agape Community Transformation (ACT), a Christian organization dedicated to improving the spiritual, physical, economic and societal conditions of their communities.
Except for the gay people in those communities. They're going to improve their spiritual and physical conditions by murdering them in the name of God. Positively Orwellian, isn't it?"I am a Ugandan and I'm writing to thank you for your bravery," Tuhaise said in his message to AIM. "The articles you've written in support of the right of Ugandans to exercise self-determination on the issue of homosexuality have thrown fresh light on the American scene [and show] that not every American is scared of the loud-mouthed homosexual lobby."
Ah yes, the ridiculous old argument that groups of people have "self-determination" to violate the rights of individuals. They reject the notion that individuals have any right to self-determination, the only level on which any such right could possibly exist, but endorse a collective right to kill anyone they don't like. Welcome to crazy town.Showing disdain for Uganda's sovereign right to chart its own course in domestic and foreign affairs, the "gay rights" lobby has mounted an aggressive strategy to undermine the government of Uganda and threaten the cut-off of foreign aid if the anti-homosexuality bill in Uganda is passed.
Gee, how do you think Kincaid feels about the "sovereign right to chart its own course in domestic and foreign affairs" when it comes to, say, Iran allowing honor killings? Wanna guess whether he was defending the "sovereign right to chart its own course in domestic and foreign affairs" when we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq?
Ah, but such rhetoric is only used for convenience. When he agrees with what another country is doing, as he does here, it's all about their sovereign rights; such sovereign rights end when another country does something he doesn't like.
Iran, Iraq, etc have the SAME sovereign right to spread Christianity that Uganda does, just like everyone (gay or straight) has the SAME right to marry an individual of the opposite sex in this country. Granting special priveleges to those countries to enact Muslim laws would be so repugnant because this Earth was founded on Judeo-Christian values, by God.
Posted by: Odie | February 11, 2010 9:25 AM2
The proposed Ugandan law does not simply call for the execution of some gays and lesbians (i.e., those who have more than one relationship or sleep with the same person more than once) it also calls for jail time for anyone who knows a gay or lesbian person and does not turn them in, as well as extradition of any Ugandan citizens who violate Uganda's law while abroad. It can't be possible that so many churches are speaking out because they want parishioners to be able to confide in pastors right?
The really scary thing is that the laws in the US weren't that different just 40 or so years ago. The Advocate Magazine published a column by Dave White on a 1967 TV special on The Homosexuals that was aired on CBS. In the documentary, one man talks about his psychotherapy to change his orientation, therapy he entered only after being arrested multiple times for the crime of being gay and facing a life sentence if he's arrested again. Pretty scary stuff: ( http://advocate.com/Arts_and_Entertainment/Television/The_Bad_Old_Days/ )
Posted by: CPT_Doom | February 11, 2010 9:48 AM3
After reading Kincaid, Odie is a Poe.
Posted by: MarkusR | February 11, 2010 10:01 AM4
"... I'm writing to thank you for your bravery," Tuhaise said...
You were asking elsewhere about what the rad rights could do to look weak - how 'bout having one of their own laud (in words probably written for him) their courage in flapping their lips?
Posted by: Pierce R. Butler | February 11, 2010 11:05 AM5
I would argue that supporting the sovereign right of a country, any country, to support religious indoctrination is a pretty *fu**ing* stupid thing to defend, on so many levels of confliting interest and wrong that I think I may have just sh*t my pants.
Countries (governments) have a sovereign right to protect their constituents and their constituent's rights and it should pretty much stop there. I don't see any other system that ends up sustainable in the long (long... long) run.
Anyway, all these gay hating christians are anachronistic and what we are seeing is the separation difficulties as the majority moves away from traditional christianity. Unfortunately, the religion of science in its proper form is much too cold to succor the masses. God [sorry] help us all.
I really wish we could start truly separating republican from christian and democrat from environmentalist. All these political speaking points of vapid and unanswerable questions (If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound? If a woman has an abortion in the first trimester, is it still a baby? Give me a break.) make me sick.
Posted by: Buffoon | February 11, 2010 12:31 PM6
Wasn't it these same asswipe christian activists who interfered with Uganda's sovereignty to get the hate law passed in the first place? I suspect their messiah wouldn't think too highly of their treatment of their fellow man.
Posted by: MikeMa | February 11, 2010 12:56 PM8
Uzza - you think the "International Homosexual Lobby" is FABulous, wait 'till you see the offices, they're to DIE FOR! Seriously. :) - (pinkish) Dingo
Posted by: DingoJack | February 12, 2010 7:01 AM9
Oh boy. Another Christian. What a man. Real Jesus-like, ain't he? When are humans going to realize that Mayan gods, Greek gods, Hindu gods, Aztec gods, Roman gods, or just old God, are all based on superstition. Why would God make a Universe fifteen Billion years ago, and then wait until just 2,000 years ago to invent Heaven, and then only Christians could go there? It makes NO sense whatsoever. All religion can be understood by just looking at who claims to be God's spokesmen. They're all phonies and prey on the the weak and fearful. They want your money and don't want to have to look for a real job. Lazy conmen. That's all they are.
Posted by: 1Greensix | February 12, 2010 9:01 AM10
The simple word for this kind of law is genocide. I don't understand why it isn't being used to talk about this: call it for what it is.
I wonder what groups will be next for this "emerging christian culture". The Jews? Or white people? Or politicl dissidents? The law they're pushing through is the thin edge of the wedge of this kind of programmatic murder. What groups will be next?
Posted by: M | February 12, 2010 10:42 AM11
Ed, I think you're extremely cute. Please don't kill me for that!
Posted by: Bilhelm | February 12, 2010 12:00 PM12
It's not just Uganda that's violently anti-gay:
The Economist, Feb 11, 2010 - ONCE a fortnight, 50 or so Nigerians furtively log on for an online Bible study class. “This is the only way we can worship because of the stigma,” says one of them. The reason for the secrecy is that the participants, ranging from students to married men, are gay. To go to a mainstream church in Nigeria would risk beatings or even a forced exorcism. So hundreds are turning to House of Rainbow, Nigeria’s only gay-friendly church, which is flourishing online after almost meeting a violent end two years ago.
Many Nigerians strongly disapprove of homosexuality. The dominant role of religion is widely seen as the root of the country's homophobic culture. Punishing gays is one of the few common themes that politicians can promote with equal zest in the mainly Christian south and the largely Muslim north. Under federal law sodomy is punishable by a 14-year jail sentence. An even more stringent bill to ban gay-rights groups and homosexual displays of affection is also under consideration.
Posted by: R Hampton | February 12, 2010 1:23 PM
That anyone in the U.S. would defend the Ugandan bill is horrible. I don't call much evil, because it is a term that is too simplistic and loaded with connotations I don't agree with, but I would call this law evil.